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Volkert Volkersz's avatar

The Christian faith, by definition is nationalistic. It was defined at the Ecumenical councils starting with Nicea under the direction of Constantine, who sought to unify his empire using the Christian bishops as his pawns in the endeavor. As a result the Church (then united Orthodox and Catholic) named him a saint.

I recently left the Orthodox faith after 25 years, and prior to that I was an Evangelical for 30 years. I find myself looking for the teachings of Jesus (as found in the Q Source documents) as a result of finally breaking free of this nationalistic & warrior prone "faith."

Whenever Christianity is connected with power, it becomes ugly. It's happened throughout history. It turns everyone of a different persuasion into an "other." whether Jews, infidel, heretic, or just plain "sinner." This is not what Jesus taught when he said, "Love your neighbor" and "love your enemy," or the "Golden rule."

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Rich Ramlow's avatar

Thanks for this well presented summary. Separation of church and state is paramount for people in the US to thrive. I was raised Catholic, and while I agree with much of their theology, the rigidity of their symbolism and rituals was more than I really wanted to live with. I then was hired to sing at an American Baptist Church and I knew I had found the right place for me. Our pastor was adamant about the need for separation of church and state and I learned that this was a big position of the ABC in general.

What I want to know is where are the pastors from the liberal Protestant churches that are going to speak up loudly enough to create a liberal church position that is more about being for the freedom of the separation. The large problem that we have had in the liberal church is that we don't really stand for things as much as we are against restrictions. I have said for years that this is a big messaging problem, and we need real leaders to be emerging and talking about this in a way that allows people in the middle to gravitate closer to our place.

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